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dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.08 04:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Grayson Cole wrote:I used to be anti-null bear.
The truth is, null players have their fingers into everything:
- High sec ganking/war deccing
- High sec industry
- FW farming and FW alts
- Low sec piracy alts
In other words, players like to publicly label themselves as being affiliated with null sec, but spend the majority of their time in other areas of space. Why? Because they're bored. Their mains are doing little besides swelling their wallets, which they use to fund alt activities.
The CSM is skewed to null voting power blocks anyway. Let them have the CSM and all the changes they're asking for in null. Maybe that way they'll go back to playing their mains. That is, in essence, my platform 
That's why I put you at number 2 behind Mangala.
Also I have never really been a member of any of the main power blocs, but they generally play Eve the same way I play Eve so despite my high sec living area, I still vote for them. I voted for the Mittani because at the time his platform made sense and he was generally good for the game. I've voted for Mangala Solaris first this year, because he will be a voice of highsec reason, but the majority of the candidates I put on my list are from big 0.0 blocs. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.16 00:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Note 1: In comparison to the total number of votes cast.
Note2: Which of course will be completely unrepresentative of EvEs playerbase as a whole, and most likely more unrepresentative than any time in the CSMs past.
Where are you getting these numbers from?
As far as the CSM is concerned they represent whoever wants to vote. It's just the way that it is. And null currently needs representation to both push for fixes to and give feedback on the bottom up income, sov grind and tech issues. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.16 01:45:00 -
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But my question is where did you get the numbers from? With the exception of the passing comment in the CSM minutes, there is no concrete data on where characters live and more importantly what % are alts of null sec players in high sec. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.16 02:17:00 -
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Thank you. A google search did not reveal this info (perhaps because I am at work).
As to what I am going on about, you said that the votes are not representative of the whole player base. I like to see all of the information to make an argument based on fact rather than blind thought (unlike most people I actually care about facts when I make opinions).
The reason I am curious as to the % of null alts in high, that directly influences the representation of players. If the overwhelming majority do solely live in high sec with no null or low sec characters, then you are indeed correct and the CSM is not representative of the playerbase. If it swings the other way, then the CSM is representative of the player base. At the end of the day until we get this information there is no evidence either way.
I do happen to agree that the STV system benefits the organised null players (and I also don't see an issue with that), but I am wondering why it's such a bad thing? |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.04.23 08:43:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Seems to me like the STV voting has made the organised null voting even more powerful, even though I think CCP kept claiming it would make it less of an issue
I don't mind though, it's not as if I want highsec carebear reps anyway STV does not make organized null voting more powerful; what it does is it permits null to get the representation its share of the voters deserves the "problem" is that empire eveo forumwarriors don't realize just how many voters the null candidates represent compared to the highsec ones because null alliances have their own forums and don't really tend to form communities here, so people who do their posting here think far more of the voters and players are worthless highseccers than they actually are That's actually quite a good point.
Yeah I already tried to point out that there is no concrete way of knowing how many people are alts in highsec.
Also not all high sec player are worthless bro. |
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